tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post7452191603621699504..comments2024-03-28T10:26:20.408-04:00Comments on Ponderings on a Faith Journey: Ecclesial Implications of Marriage EqualityRobert Cornwallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04581876323110725024noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-57971943512358732142010-08-09T20:53:37.841-04:002010-08-09T20:53:37.841-04:00chirpchirpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-1026408890195880172010-08-09T20:53:01.191-04:002010-08-09T20:53:01.191-04:00Cornwall,
Is anybody really "wrestling with ...Cornwall,<br /><br />Is anybody really "wrestling with gay marriage and its implications for the church"? It seems like everyone has made up their minds. Everybody on your side seems to be for it. And, of course, Christians are against it.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-76847443829108981772010-08-09T20:49:15.350-04:002010-08-09T20:49:15.350-04:00Oh, Bob, I didn't see your post. I'll make...Oh, Bob, I didn't see your post. I'll make myself scarce now.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-76331262427666633962010-08-09T20:45:19.481-04:002010-08-09T20:45:19.481-04:00Ahh, John, the double post. The modern evil eye?
...Ahh, John, the double post. The modern evil eye?<br /><br />Thanks for the modern warning Randy. Since my eyes are open, I'm not sure I can close them again- but I appreciate your concern. <br /><br />Someone called Anonymous posted your name. We don't know who he/ she/ it is. We seldom drop names unrequested. On the plus side, Bob will get a hit every-time you're "Googled". Balanced "Googles" are good. Or do you "Bling"?david Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-82624185181579205522010-08-09T20:38:03.822-04:002010-08-09T20:38:03.822-04:00OK, I think it's time for me to step in and ca...OK, I think it's time for me to step in and call for a moratorium on the conversation, which has degenerated much farther than I had hoped. <br /><br />I know what Gary thinks of me and those like me. I also know what others think of Gary and those like him.<br /><br />But the cycle of debate that has gone on concerning this issue and other issues isn't going anywhere. What I hoped would be a conversation among those wrestling with the question of gay marriage and its implications for the church has become simply another debate as to who is righteous and who is not. So, let's call this a day and move on to another issue (even if its a related one). <br /><br />So, here's my ruling -- Gary, you're welcome to participate, but I think we all know what you think about gays, evolution, and any number of other issues. As for those who disagree with Gary, I ask that you politely disengage from discussion with him. If necessary I'll intervene by deleting all conversations in one direction or another.<br /><br />Sorry to have to do this, but this constant bickering isn't helping others enter into the conversation.Robert Cornwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04581876323110725024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-30457825058095642412010-08-09T19:24:50.018-04:002010-08-09T19:24:50.018-04:00Gary and Randy,
Here is the warning which I think...Gary and Randy,<br /><br />Here is the warning which I think Scripture holds for you:<br /><br />24 Then the one who had received the one talent also came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew that you were a harsh man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed; 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.' 26 But his master replied, 'You wicked and lazy slave! You knew, did you, that I reap where I did not sow, and gather where I did not scatter? ... 29 For to all those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 30 As for this worthless slave, throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' <br />Matt 25:24-26; 29-30<br /><br />You will likely meet the harsh and wrathful God you seek. If you don't, if God is loving and gracious and forgiving, will you be disappointed?<br /><br />JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245470576919732592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-60353467763115418752010-08-09T19:24:32.001-04:002010-08-09T19:24:32.001-04:00Gary and Randy,
Here is the warning which I think...Gary and Randy,<br /><br />Here is the warning which I think Scripture holds for you:<br /><br />24 Then the one who had received the one talent also came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew that you were a harsh man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter seed; 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.' 26 But his master replied, 'You wicked and lazy slave! You knew, did you, that I reap where I did not sow, and gather where I did not scatter? ... 29 For to all those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 30 As for this worthless slave, throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' <br />Matt 25:24-26; 29-30<br /><br />You will likely meet the harsh and wrathful God you seek. If you don't, if God is loving and gracious and forgiving, will you be disappointed?<br /><br />JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245470576919732592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-79573284161553432262010-08-09T19:04:26.724-04:002010-08-09T19:04:26.724-04:00David,
You have no right to redefine who people a...David,<br /><br />You have no right to redefine who people are. And no right to change the roles of men and women. And no right to redefine marriage. People have not changed since Adam. Unrepentant reprobates have always thought that they know more than God does. And they have always gotten the same result: damnation.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-15198849662805255612010-08-09T18:40:24.622-04:002010-08-09T18:40:24.622-04:00My name got posted on these comments so I guess I ...My name got posted on these comments so I guess I will make a commit. I am not coming on here to convince anyone but to reiterate what Jesus said, which is very applicable for you unbelievers. Here is what He said, Except ye Repent ye shall all likewise perish. This is the same Jesus that is coming back with a vengeance against all of you that know not God, and have not obeyed the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. You shall be punished with everlasting destruction. So repent while you can, if you can. Consider yourselves warned. Pastor Randy Bryson. warningsofwrath.comPastor Randy Brysonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-83158080224205616312010-08-09T17:37:27.460-04:002010-08-09T17:37:27.460-04:00"The primary tactic seems to be that they red..."The primary tactic seems to be that they redefine who God is."<br /><br />Wrong, we redefine who people are. The male-female roles have changed Gary. This is a natural course for human society, and a positive one.<br /><br />:) Have a nice day.<br /><br />It's cool how being non-anonymous makes one nicer.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-43598745271720748962010-08-09T15:30:59.700-04:002010-08-09T15:30:59.700-04:00Dear Gary,
I found your latest post regarding why...Dear Gary,<br /><br />I found your latest post regarding why marriage must be between a woman and a man very convincing. I learned in school about Occam's razor and, "That is the way God designed it," is unarguably the simplest answer and therefore the correct one. What bugs me is that people consistently forget about Genesis 2:25.<br /><br />25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.<br /><br />If God designed it this way, I think that there should be a constitutional amendment requiring people to get married in the nude like it was originally intended. I know that it would be an uphill battle because of all the lobby money that the democrats get from Randazzos and President Tuxedo but I think that the real Christians ought to at least get the idea out there.Glennnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-64522040703869090222010-08-09T13:37:33.069-04:002010-08-09T13:37:33.069-04:00Ecclesial implications of "Marriage Equality&...Ecclesial implications of "Marriage Equality"???<br /><br />A marriage must have a husband and a wife. A husband must be a man, and a wife must be a woman. That is the way God designed it.<br /><br />How can those "churches" who are unhappy with marriage, as God has defined it, justify changing what God has ordained, and still pretend that they are "doing God's will"? <br /><br />The primary tactic seems to be that they redefine who God is. The "God" they believe in is one that will allow the changes they want. Not only allow them, but bless them. The problem these religious people face is, that the real God does not like to be redefined. And sooner or later, reality will have to be confronted. :) Have a nice day.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-30663891235176817302010-08-09T12:20:45.918-04:002010-08-09T12:20:45.918-04:00Let's not fall into any traps. The Taliban-lik...Let's not fall into any traps. The Taliban-like show the wrong way. We are all created equal, we just get screwed up along the way..<br /><br />Luke 18:9-14 (New International Version)<br /><br /> 9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'<br /><br /> 13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'<br /><br /> 14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-22207580964723634612010-08-09T09:59:18.543-04:002010-08-09T09:59:18.543-04:00I get it now. Gary's brother is the infamous ...I get it now. Gary's brother is the infamous Randy Bryson from warningsofwratch.com. I spotted one of Gary's signature posts on the website (Rick Lannoye is an ignoramous and a heretic. Gary). I guess that explains a lot. I love their "ethics" uniform at warningsofwrath of dress pants, dress shirt and tie (unless it's too hot). I guess it's O.K. to compromise your ethics if the temperature rises too much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-48713231970045031052010-08-09T07:52:42.585-04:002010-08-09T07:52:42.585-04:00Don't the Jews deny the trinity ALSO? When did...Don't the Jews deny the trinity ALSO? When did your church stop hating Jews (if they did)? It was a recent revelation I suspect. "Enemy of your enemy type of thing?". <br /><br />"I have found that your "book" is filled with errors." <br /><br />I'll admit my "book" is probably filled with errors, mostly due to pride. My perspective is authentic to me though and I try to follow the straight path.<br /><br />I find much evidence to support all three major monotheistic religions worship a common God. All their books have errors in my opinion. Please give your evidence.<br /><br />If you seek truth, humility and empathy should be your first steps.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-60581964067753302802010-08-08T23:40:11.312-04:002010-08-08T23:40:11.312-04:00David,
I forgot to mention this: I have found th...David,<br /><br />I forgot to mention this: I have found that your "book" is filled with errors, so I don't give much consideration to what is in it.Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-12398997489791406692010-08-08T23:37:01.244-04:002010-08-08T23:37:01.244-04:00David,
Do muslims believe that "allah" ...David,<br /><br />Do muslims believe that "allah" is the same God that the Bible talks about? Don't muslims deny the trinity? Don't they deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Don't they deny that God chose the Jews? I'm pretty sure they deny all of those things. So, if the muslims don't believe that "allah" is the same God that the Bible reveals, why do you? And why do you accuse me of lying about who the muslims think their god is when they agree with me that it isn't the God of the Old and New Testaments?Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-66278837370251275912010-08-08T23:02:53.864-04:002010-08-08T23:02:53.864-04:00I do feel bad about that post Gary. I don't th...I do feel bad about that post Gary. I don't think you exposed yourself on purpose. I just followed the link you supplied. Please forgive my assumptions if they are in error.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-12474129414221142122010-08-08T22:50:04.728-04:002010-08-08T22:50:04.728-04:00Gary said, "How have I born false witness?&qu...Gary said, "How have I born false witness?"<br /><br />The latest and greatest-<br /><br />"It is impossible to rationally conclude that the god of Islam is the God of the Old and New Testaments."<br /><br />Gary said, "My brother is deranged? Can you prove that?"<br /><br />I didn't say "brother", I said "family member". Geeze, is this an old Perry Mason episode?<br /><br />Anyone who spreads irrational fear and hate in the name of Jesus is deranged in my book.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-6706243098441540602010-08-08T20:47:51.315-04:002010-08-08T20:47:51.315-04:00My congregation already performs same-sex weddings...My congregation already performs same-sex weddings although they are not legally recognized by KY as marriages.<br /><br />I am glad that this will force churches to realize that civil marriage (the right to sue one another if you get tired of each other and the guarantee that your kids can inherit in all 50 states) and Christian marriage are not identical. I think the church should change its views on same-sex marriage, but I am glad that this is not the purview of the state.Michael Westmoreland-Whitehttp://pilgrimpathways.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-51709733498606461862010-08-08T20:41:54.558-04:002010-08-08T20:41:54.558-04:00David has his suspicions and appears to be close t...David has his suspicions and appears to be close to the mark.<br /><br />JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06245470576919732592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-17052852741060277142010-08-08T20:33:32.965-04:002010-08-08T20:33:32.965-04:00Wait a minute. Did I miss an episode? Who is Gar...Wait a minute. Did I miss an episode? Who is Gary's brother?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-25430043084819510532010-08-08T19:49:29.545-04:002010-08-08T19:49:29.545-04:00David,
How have I born false witness?
My brother...David,<br /><br />How have I born false witness?<br /><br />My brother is deranged? Can you prove that? And if not, who is it that is judging beyond his authority and bearing false witness?Garynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-55129518761893975322010-08-08T16:22:05.072-04:002010-08-08T16:22:05.072-04:00Thanks for putting my points in legaleaze Doug. Ga...Thanks for putting my points in legaleaze Doug. Gary, are you creating the mental eternity you really desire? Don't you think God has something better in mind for His creation? He loves us, right? Look at the "guilty" in Iran waiting their fate. Are their judges different from you? <br /><br />You bear false witness and judge beyond your authority. Good luck with that. It must be easy with deranged a preacher in the family? You're young enough to change.David Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22980286.post-2127806583060892852010-08-08T16:14:47.916-04:002010-08-08T16:14:47.916-04:00http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A...http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_U.S.%20news/Life/gaymarriage.pdf<br /><br />text of PERRY v. SCHWARZENEGGER<br />(a 138-page ruling)<br /><br />Plaintiffs' Witnesses: pp. 25-34<br /><br />Proponents' Witnesses: pp. 35-53<br /><br />Findings of Fact: pp. 54-108<br /><br />Conclusions of Law: pp. 109-134Doug Sloannoreply@blogger.com