Problems with the Confederate Flag



I don't know about you, but I have a real problem with the Confederate Flag(s). You know, you see supposedly patriotic southern Americans waving that old bloody battle flag, and you're left wondering what's up. Now, when it comes to the American Civil War, which in many southern states is referred to as the War of Northern Aggression, I'm proud to claim the mantle of a Yankee! And so, I found this web posting at the The Thinkery that makes a point I find important to affirm.
The flag hanging from a gallows is found in a Tallahassee, FL gallery. I find it an interesting piece. But a Son of the Confederacy is offended.
The Thinkery responds:

Of course, certain people have issues with this display:

Robert Hurst, the leader of the local Sons of Confederate Veterans group, calls the display "tasteless and offensive," and demanded the museum remove it.

"That display is extremely offensive. It's very tasteless," Hurst said. "What they've told us, as Southerners, as sons of the Confederacy, is that it's okay to offend us.

Yeah, pretty much. Just like it's ok to offend neo-Nazis or the KKK or any other group that is organized around either the hatred of other skin colors and/or the celebration of a massive act of treason and organized murder of fellow citizens that is still the bloodiest conflict in American history. The reason for seceding from the United States was slavery; the documents of the Confederate states make this completely clear. The only concern of theirs for "states rights" was that they retained the right to own slaves. If another state passed a law freeing slaves or allowing escaped slaves sanctuary within its borders, the southern states quickly condemned it and called for federal laws that overturned them. If a territory organized as a free state, the southern states demanded that the federal government require the next territory to allow slavery.

So, when you see the Confederate flag flying, wonder about it's meaning!

Comments

Mike L. said…
This is a topic that I understand more than I wish I did. I live in the south and have had to deal with this issue so much it nearly makes me cry to think about it. Almost all of us that grew up in the south have grandparents (maybe even parents) that suffered very deeply from racism. I've seen some very "good" people fall on the wrong side of this argument and it makes me sick.

I don't think it is much different that what you see in the Middle East when deep fundamentalist religious views combine with ignorance.

When you talk about a symbol you have to look at more than just the "symbol" itself and you have to look at it in context of the people that value it. These people view it as their heritage and also a symbol for a "better way of life". They feel that the "southern values" behind this symbol are centered on an innocent, pure, religious way of life free from the rampant crime, greed, and godlessness they encounter "up north". Imagine living your life where your only view of a “yankee” is a mafia hit-man or the owner of a strip-club.

It sounds strange doesn't it? It is hard for us to imagine a better way of life that INCLUDES slavery!!!

Our grandparents saw the world through this lens. Almost everyone that grew up here will be able to remember hearing their grandparents speak of the south in this way. They completely overlooked the racism, pain and suffering that this view created. It is sick and twisted and no excuse.
Robert Cornwall said…
Mike,

Thanks for this post. I've never lived in the South -- I don't think Southern California counts-- and when living in Kansas I lived in an old Yankee corner of the state -- Manhattan!!! I have my deep seated problems with the "southern values" and yet I shouldn't be too prideful, for racism has taken on its own hue in the North and West.

Of course, this pining for the good old days is similar to a national pining for the simpler days of the 1950s, but was it really that great? I don't know, I was born in 1958 and grew up in the wild 60s and 70s.
Mike L. said…
This is at the core of what conservatism is all about. It wants to conserve the "good old days" where they are in control and life is good FOR THEM. They don't bother to consider that it might be possible to have it good for everyone. They pine for the past and have no hope for a better future.

The really bad eschatology that is taught down here doesn't help that view much either.
Robert Cornwall said…
Nostalgia is great! I love the Beatles, the Moody Blues, CSN. All the good music was written prior to 1977 -- when I was in college.

And yet, nostaligia has a way of coloring things so we forget that things weren't necessarily wonderful for everyone. And so we pine for the days of the founders, when African American slaves counted as 3/8th of a person so that the lightly populated south (at least in terms of white population) could have it's equal share of the government. Washington, Jefferson and all were great leaders, and yet slavery clings to them.

Yes, when conservatism is nostalgia it is problematic!
Mystical Seeker said…
All the good music was written prior to 1977 -- when I was in college.

I'm sure that the fact that I agree with you has nothing to do with the fact that you and I are of approximately the same age. :)
Robert Cornwall said…
Of course not, this is simple objective truth. As Joe Friday would say -- just the facts ma'am, just the facts!
Anonymous said…
Hey there pastor Bob, its 3/5 of a person. Thats over half!

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