Gays and the Authority Question

The debate over homosexuality, which is tearing at the fabric of what was once mainline Protestantism and beyond, is rooted in questions of authority. Although I do believe that much of the debate is rooted deep down in questions of one's own sexuality, it also has major theological corollaries.

In reading Phyllis Tickle's The Great Emergence (Baker, 2008), I discovered this important statement, one that I do think gets at the heart of the debate.

To approach any of the arguments and questions surrounding homosexuality in the closing years of the twentieth century and the opening ones of the twenty-first is to approach a battle to the death. When it is all resolved -- and it most surely will be -- the Reformation's understanding of Scripture as it had been taught by Protestantism for almost five centuries will be dead. That is not to say that Scripture as the base of authority is dead. Rather it is to say that what the Protestant tradition has taught about the nature of that authority will be either dead or in mortal need of reconfiguration. And that kind of summation is agonizing for the surrounding culture in general. In particular, it is agonizing for the individual lives that have been built upon it. Such an ending is to be staved off with every means available and resisted with every bit of energy that can be mustered. Of all the fights, the gay one must be -- has to be -- the bitterest, because once it is lost, there are no more fights to be had. It is finished. Where now is the authority? (Tickle, The Great Emergence, 101).

I do think that Tickle has set up the issue well. This is a battle to the death, and the debate over homosexuality simply is the final bulwark of the Protestant Principle of sola scriptura. It will be a long and hard fought battle, with much collateral damage. Denominations will be decimated, institutions as well. But the force of history, as I understand it, will lead to the demise of this principle. For some of us the search for a new foundation has already begun.

My denomination, the Disciples, has always set itself up as a New Testament church, but in the past half century we have realized that this is insufficient. First we had to face the issue of the Old Testament and then our own history. In the course of that we discovered that reason was always part of the equation. Therefore, we have talked more recently about the value of Wesley's Quadrilateral -- a convergence of four authorities -- Scripture, Reason, Tradition, and Experience. In answer to Tickle's question, that is where I think the debate is heading. Both reason and experience are calling for a reconfiguration of our understandings of homosexuality.

My prayer is that the battle will be short and peace is close at hand!

Comments

How sad that it is an empty battle, Protestants having given up sola scriptura in practice long ago. Actually, didn't we give that up the moment Martin Luther decided to stay with infant baptism? Did we ever really have sola scriptura? I don't think so.

And now our gay children are simply asking the same compassion we showed to our divorced and remarried children 40 years ago. The reaction of the Church reminds me of the reaction of people who have long since abandoned some principle but resist the last symbolic thread of its existence...for "principle's" sake.
Robert Cornwall said…
Gordon,

I appreciate this -- in many ways those fighting most tenaciously have not adopted fully sola scriptura, but rest much on tradition.

It is the other two that need to be heard!
Anonymous said…
The Bible has NEVER been the authority in Protestantism as the Bible is not self-interpreting. No one has ever read the Bible without simultaneously interpreting it, and that through a lens peculiar to the reader. How one interprets the Bible is the one and only authority. This recognition is the reason that the so-called authority of the Bible is being re-evaluated.

Even the idea that the Bible is inspired to the point of inerrancy is nonsensical. Let's say this is true for the sake of argument. The very fact that no one can agree on its meaning makes inerrancy irrelevant. Unfortunately, too many interpreters, mistaking their interpretation for Bible truth, then believing it inerrant, have rendered Christian unity (and may I add Christian charity) impossible.
Allan R. Bevere said…
Bob:

As a Methodist, I would not be too hopeful about the Wesley Quadrilateral. I agree that the sola scriptura principle has never been sola scriptura, but as one Methodist theologian likes to say, "The Wesley Quadrilateral is neither Wesleyan nor a Quadrilateral."

The dilemma with isolating reason and experience and making them categories in and of themselves, is that one is left with the question "Whose reason, which experience?" Many years ago, theologian Nicholas Lash made a convincing case that there is no such thing as a general account of experience. In other words, it's all experience. Even those who tout sola scriptura, do so on the basis of experience.

None of this suggests that bringing any issue to bear in reference to authority is easy; it is just the opposite. While sola scriptura is a problematic idea from the beginning, to appeal to something called reason and experience in and of themselves is just as problematic. I doubt that general appeals to reason or experience will bring clarity to the debate over homosexuality or any other subject, for that matter.

To speak of a convergence of four authorities assumes that the four can be isolated in order to converge them. I humbly submit that this is simply impossible.

This does not mean that we cannot and should not broaden the discussion on important issues; what it does mean is that appeals to reason and/or experience will be no more convincing to people who hold their views as appeals to Scripture.

We tend to believe what we want to believe and then hold on to the evidence that supports our views while neglecting other things that call them into question. This is a dilemmma for all of us.

As a professor of mine said years ago: "A book is just a thesis that gives support to an already preconceived conviction, that did not change even after all the research."
Anonymous said…
Allan, you really put meat on my meager bone which truly adds to the complication of deriving authoritative instruction from the Bible. A friend of mine likes to reduce every ethical question, especially those regarding the treatment of gays, to the application of the Golden Rule. Its usefulness in universal application breaks down because the issue of how one would have others treat them is always relative to the person and limited to that person's perspective. As one respondent put it, "If I were in sin (as is the homosexual) the way I would want to be treated is for someone to point out to me the error of my ways, and try to save me from hell, even if it means naming me an abomination. So that is how I treat gays and lesbians."

I think so-called "revealed religions" have seen their day, as they have proven to be less revealed and more revealing of their proponents.

Postmodernists are surely right when they argue that there are no universals in the human experience. When humanity catches up to this we have a chance of surviving for we will then acknowledge that everyone is entitled to his or her own truth.
Anonymous said…
Allan, BTW, our early Disciples' efforts to determine the authority of Scripture included three means or test of authentic results: "Is this a command to be obeyed, an approved example to be followed, or a necessary inference of the text?" Some wag asked, "Necessary to whom?" Thankfully, revisionism soon follows certainty!
Anonymous said…
Is there an issue that is spoken against in scripture that is now accepted due to reason and experience? I do ask this as an honest question to compare this issue to any other in history.

The issues with reason and experience are right on. My reason and experience clearly differs from some of the views on here. The response seems to be.. too bad, we need to fight this to the death.

-Chuck
John said…
"...we will then acknowledge that everyone is entitled to his or her own truth."

I don't know about this. I don't know what the truth is in most circumstances, but I think it can be approached. I think that we are surrounded by experiential filtering devices so that what we see is always clouded by perspective - but we do see something, and if it could exist and be examined from triangulating perspectives, we could gather a great deal of understanding about it, if not glimpse the truth of it.

Most of the time what we learn about in the process is ourselves more than the truth we seek.

And God, who is The Truth begs to be approached, and triangulated, and even glimpsed. For me, the issue should not be who is closer to the truth, or whether each has his or her own truth, but when we share our approaches to the Truth, what do we what do we learn about each other and what do we learn about The Truth.

But I have a hard time accepting the notion that truth is relative.

John
John said…
Chuck,

You ask whether any supposed biblical commandment or issue which was ever later countermanded.

I would suggest the laws of circumcision, as well as the Jewish dietary and purity laws.

The dietary laws of the Jerusalem Counsel from Acts 15 were later abandoned by the early church.

Jesus' pronouncements against divorce and remarriage also come to mind.

John
Anonymous said…
This is a very interesting issue for me. Well, I just hope the Disciples will set churches in South Korea. Because few churches deal with that seriously here. :)
Robert Cornwall said…
To Hyeon Cho, I think we may have Disciples related churches in South Korea, but how they might deal with this issue I don't know.

To Chuck, on the question of how reason and experience might impact how we read Scripture, and I think that's the issue here, is a complicated one.

John named a number of issues, where Christians have reinterpreted the Old Testament in the light of new revelatioin, I suppose. But it was seen as radical.

We could list a number of issues where times have changed -- marriage, family, slavery, etc. Nothing is said, for instance about whether slavery is an evil, but I think we would all agree that it is an evil. Paul seems to tell women to sit down and shut up and ask thier husbands. I kknow there are churches that still say that women should be silent in the church, but even they make allowances.

The question here is not so much what the Bible says, but how it reads. Every text is interpreted in the light of our own reason and experience.
Peter said…
I think the assumption that this battle is going to be "won or lost" is a little premature. I have a hunch this issue (symbolic, as you rightly suggest, of our treatment of scripture) will continue to cut a deep division through the Body of Christ. Eventually, Open and Affirming churches will emerge as the prevailing majority - perhaps to the marginalization and eventual irrelevance of the innerantist/fundamentalist lot. But that group isn't going away. The Black-and-White, Modern Worldview isn't going away in the face of Postmodernism - it's merely becoming one "lens" within postmodernism.

Thoughts? Do you really see closure on this? (I'd like to think I'm wrong)
John said…
Peter,

I do not think the issue of Christian acceptance of homosexuality will ever be resolved with finality, in the way for example the resolution of the Christian acceptance of slavery was determined by the American Civil War and Emancipation.

Instead I see the issue as cyclical, ebbing and flowing, rising and falling from the center of the awareness of the Christian community - with one neo-Fundamentalist group or another leading the renewed challenge, typically led by a charismatic/prophetic individual seeking to renew the purity of the Christian community, if not America itself.

The human struggle to find the balance between justice (doing right and punishing wrong) and mercy (loving kindness and forgiveness) will last until He comes again to sort things out.

John
Robert Cornwall said…
Peter,

I don't know that the issue will go away, but I think it will become a marginal one. I think that this will especially be true in mainline Protestantism, and even Roman Catholicism.

Once the Presbys, Episcopalians, Lutherans, and Methodists stop arguing -- and I think that will happen in the next decade -- together with a growing number of Evangelicals who no longer see this as an issue to argue, we will move on. There will be a rear guard, of course, but its voice will no longer get headlines.

One of the reasons I have hope for Progressive/Mainline Christianity is that for the first time in a long time it seems to be ahead of the curve as far as the church goes.
Anonymous said…
Thanks for posting this. i am currently reading Jack Rogers book, "Jesus, The Bible and Homosexuality: Explode The Myths, Heal the Church".

Rogers is a Presbyterian who has changed his views on homosexuality. He talks about his journey along with giving a history lesson on how the church used the Bible to endorse slavery, segregation and oppression of women. VERY interesting info.
Robert Cornwall said…
I've not read Jack's book yet, but what is interesting is that Jack was my philosophy professor at Fuller back in the early 80s. It was right after he published his major work on biblical authority that responded to Lindsell's Battle for the Bible.

Jack later left Fuller and his views either changed thereafter or he was able to be more open about them.

Lew Smedes, another of my professors, came out in support of gays after he had retired.

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