Progressive Christianity and Evolution
Dr. Susan Thistlethwaite, the former President of Chicago Theological Seminary, and a vocal proponent of Progressive Christianity has written an intriguing post for the On Faith blog. In it she notes the value of a Progressive Christian position and addresses the issues inherent in the debate.
It's not just about the Bible and its place in our lives, it also touches on such things as how we view government, God's sovereignty, and our place in creation. For some reason, we seem, as Americans (?), to be put off by the idea that there might be continuity between us and the rest of creation. "I'm not descended from a monkey" is a statement often heard in these debates. Actually, our closest relatives aren't monkeys, but chimps -- but that's another story.
Thistlethwaite writes:
Evolutionary biology does not exhaust all that theology has to say about human nature. That's where a Christian interpretation of the whole of human nature is a different interpretation that that of the sociobiologists, in particular, many of whom seek a wholly naturalistic explanation for human nature and behavior. But there are large and increasing areas of fruitful dialogue possible, as second and third generation evolutionary biologists nuance their own arguments.
Secularists take issue with the fact that to posit a God is to pose an "unanswerable question" and thus has no place in a reasonable world. In progressive theology, however, unanswerable questions are not regarded as barriers, but doorways for religious contemplation.
An infinite God can neither be proved nor disproved. Religion and science are, in the end, different ways of knowing. I know several scientists who acknowledge that science is a branch of philosophy; science does not need to replace other epistemologies to do its work.
Science and theology approach reality from different perspectives, but surely there is a place for dialogue -- fruitful dialogue. And if there's dialogue, then theology will have to adapt to some aspects of this conversation. And yes, it has adapted, at least more progressive forms have adapted. We no longer read the Bible, as we once did, but that doesn't mean that we don't read or receive it's message -- only that we receive it differently than before.
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To actually help your argument, I would look at the Genesis story and see the parallels to the Darwin theory. Notice how God first creates the sea creatures and the birds.. THEN.. a day later creates the animals. Thats actually the same sequence that evolutionists use. Man is the last "new" major creation, which I assume would go inline with the evolutionist too. If someone where to marry up the ideas and then bring in the verse that says "a thousand days is like a day to the Lord", then you might have a good starting point for this dialogue. Sadly, I feel like I am called anti-intellectual if I disagree with Darwin or worse when I say that maybe the Bible actually has some interesting insights on science. I am by no means saying the Bible is a science book, BUT lets not throw it out b/c it happens to be old.
Just my two cents..
Chuck
Steve, I feel many lift up science as to be on par, or greater than God. I personally feel science is below God and its simply the study of God's creation was the original goal of science. However, it seems the creation is becoming greater than the creation.
The root of this conversation is evolution, and I personally feel its a theory thats been morphed into accepted fact. Based on science's own demands of proven fact, I believe there are a lot of holes in evolution. Issues like the fossil record, the uniqueness of man to every other creation, and the simple fact that theories come out and change every day.
Chuck
There have been a number of efforts to try to accomdate evolution to Genesis 1. As long as they're not being taken as science, that's fine. Science and theology are different perspectives on reality.
Now, as for evolution. With few exceptions, let's say 99.9% of scientists assume evolution to be a fact. Now, the theory as to how evolution works is constantly being reworked. There is much that we know today that Darwin had no knowledge of. So, the Origin of the Species isn't the final word, in many ways it's the first statement, which scientists have been expanding and filling ever since. Evolution is a theory in the sense that it is an explanation of reality. But as of yet, there is no other scientific explanation that challenges it. Simply raising questions isn't enough. This isn't a legal exercise.
I do think we make a mistake if we try to fill the holes with God. This God of the gaps method has led to an ever retreating God.
Finally, I do need to ask the question of you and others who doubt our relationship to other creatures. Do you go to the doctor? Do you use medicine? That medicine you take has been first tested on other animals. The reason why is that we share an ancestry. Our DNA is related to their DNA. The whole of modern medicine is rooted in evolution.
My point is simply this.. science has no way of "starting the clock".. meaning, they have no way of knowing what started time or the big bang, etc. Whether God did it in 7 calendar days or 7 million years will not change the fact that God is God. I am not willing to die on this hill. However, evolution is a simple theory and must be challenged! Any scientific method would be as well.
Personally I think intelligent design should get more traction than it does. When you really begin to examine the complexity of the body and how specifically we are made.. its hard to shrug and say "it just happened".
I will honest, I have never read Origin and I assume Bob you have and could probably give a lot of detail on the whole idea. Maybe I should to be better versed in the whole idea.
Chuck
I believe that genuine science is the lense through which we explore God's creation. And as science delves deeper and deeper into an aspect of creation, whether on a microcosmic or macrocosmic level, the quantum of what we don't know increases, not decreases. We answer one question only to discover that there are ten other mysteries of which we had never conceived. The incredible complexity of creation is a testimony of God's incredible power.
If God chose to create humanity by first creating other animals from which humans would evolve, then who am I to question the wisdom or theological orthodoxy of that decision. For me the inquiry is into what I can learn about God from God's use of such a mechanism as evolution. If time later reveals that evolution is more accurate than Ptolemaic astronomy then so be it, I will then hopefully learn what devices God employed instead.
But it makes no sense to me to reject Evolution just because science cannot connect all the dots. When God's truth is revealed we won't understand that fully either. For me, from a religious perspective, the test of a theory is not whether it fully explains everything, but whether or not a better theory is offered. I see that everything we "know" is just a working theory, until a better one is conceived.
Frankly the idea that God was so unsophisticated as to create universe complete and whole with a finger snap like a magician is disturbing to me. God is complex, God's creation is complex. Nature is not static but ever changing, and if you can believe the current theories of science, ever expanding. That sounds like God at work to me. Creation is a process as much as it is an object, and God is at work in the process as much God is at work on the object.
I find it comforting to know that God is neither a genie nor a Santa Claus, but instead God is so complicated, and works in ways which are so complicated, that God can only be described as ineffable.
John
I think that a supreme being would be able to initiate something as wondrous as evolution. As far as I can see there is no conflict between the theory of evolution and religious beliefs.
Evolution is based on variation which we see all around us, and it is a natural process, like rain gravity and so on.
To say that "I believe in God so I don't believe in evolution" is like saying "I believe in God so I don't believe in gravity". You can believe in gravity or not, as you choose. That will not change the fact that it is there. The same goes for evolution.
Just because one group says "gravity isn't real, you can't prove it, and I have another theory so let's argue who's right" has no bearing on the physical existence of that force.
This debate is such a waste of time and effort. We should be spending out time and energy on ways to reduce pollution and energy consumption, as well as raising the living standards of the poorer people in the world. Otherwise we may find we are extinct, and the debate is over anyway.